History References


Here are names you will see throughout the logs and screenshots, and the context of who they later become known as.

  • IA-Balthier is "FFC-Cecil" on battle.net, and "FF4Cecil" on AIM.
  • IA-Golbez is "FFC-Golbez" on battle.net, and "FFCGolbez" on AIM.
  • FFC-Butz is "FFC-Butz" on battle.net, and "dafrigginstud" on AIM.
  • FFC-Yuffie is "FFC-Yuffie" on battle.net, and "yuffear" on AIM.

Conversation regarding the new FFC website 1/23/2008

Preview of proposed FFC website

ATTENTION: Transfer complete: ffcwebpreview.jpg.
dafrigginstud: Um okay
dafrigginstud: That's fucking
dafrigginstud: Beastastic
dafrigginstud: I don't know if Yuffie will want to relinquish the reins to her site though
FF4Cecil: Golbez was pretty happy with it too. He told me about the pink site Frost made some time ago.
dafrigginstud: I have some concerns
dafrigginstud: Will you be the only administrator?
FF4Cecil: No, I want to set something up so you guys can post news.
dafrigginstud: Just news?
dafrigginstud: We're not too fond of restrictions
FF4Cecil: Well? What exactly do you want to have access to do?
dafrigginstud: You really don't trust us them
dafrigginstud: then*
FF4Cecil: No, that's not it.
dafrigginstud: Well?
FF4Cecil: Do you know html or php?
dafrigginstud: Some, not fully fluently
FF4Cecil: Well. What exactly do you want to have access to do?
dafrigginstud: My point is we don't want to be chained to asking you to change shit all the time for updates and such
dafrigginstud: If we'd like to add a page, that we could
dafrigginstud: And I know you like to argue things out
dafrigginstud: I really see problems coming up
dafrigginstud: What I thought you were doing was a site to host your program
dafrigginstud: To retrieve stats and all that
FF4Cecil: Well my program is hosted on it. When you click on the Members page, you'll see a detail character status of every member int he clan.
dafrigginstud: It all depends on what accomodations you can make for our use
dafrigginstud: Know what I mean?
FF4Cecil: What exactly do you guys want to do?
dafrigginstud: dafrigginstud: My point is we don't want to be chained to asking you to change shit all the time for updates and such
dafrigginstud: If we'd like to add a page, that we could
dafrigginstud: And I know you like to argue things out
FF4Cecil: Well what do you want to add? Because I already have plans for new sections that aren't on there yet.
dafrigginstud: ...
dafrigginstud: When things arise...
dafrigginstud: Like if I get an idea
dafrigginstud: And I want to add a page one day
FF4Cecil: Well, it should stick with the format and layout of the rest of the site.
dafrigginstud: Sigh
FF4Cecil: You don't seem too thrilled about this.
dafrigginstud: I'll use an analogy
dafrigginstud: You have a girlfriend
dafrigginstud: But a hotter chick walks by you and smiles at you
dafrigginstud: Now you have a dilemma
dafrigginstud: The one that is more attractive, or the one that isn't as good, but allows you more freedom
dafrigginstud: I don't know about you
dafrigginstud: But we're not going to kill ourselves for looks
dafrigginstud: I appreciate everything, I really do
dafrigginstud: But you also have to think about us
FF4Cecil: Maybe the issue here is you don't really trust me?
dafrigginstud: Not just making something huge and imposing it on us
dafrigginstud: No
dafrigginstud: I speak frank words
dafrigginstud: Furthermore
dafrigginstud: I don't want to have the clan choose between sites
FF4Cecil: I've discussed with you guys about making a website for the clan before, and after you discussed it with Yuffie/Kain, you guys said it was fine.
dafrigginstud: Uh yeah...
dafrigginstud: That was for the Sc patch
dafrigginstud: to play leagues
dafrigginstud: And so you could host your program thing
dafrigginstud: And we'd attach the link on the main site
dafrigginstud: I'm not saying no now
dafrigginstud: I'm saying we'll need accomodation
dafrigginstud: This will also imply not spending entire nights discussing the pros and cons about little things...
FF4Cecil: I have a phone call, brb.
dafrigginstud: Alright
FF4Cecil: Ok, back.
dafrigginstud: Welcome back
FF4Cecil: Thanks.
dafrigginstud: So where were we
FF4Cecil: You were saying how you want to add stuff yourself to this website.
dafrigginstud: Ah, yes
FF4Cecil: Was this ever an issue before?
dafrigginstud: Yes
dafrigginstud: The reason why Yuffie's site even exists was because we never had the freedom with Vince's site
FF4Cecil: I see. Well, I've done a lot of QA (Quality Assurance) work with the navy. Before anything is ever really called complete, we do inspections of what we worked on to ensure it's good. I'd like to apply that concept to the website as well, where it will be checked for grammar, program/design errors, and consistency in layout.
(7:32:35 PM) dafrigginstud: Yo.
(7:32:44 PM) dafrigginstud: Concerning your site
(7:32:52 PM) dafrigginstud: We've come to a decision
(7:32:56 PM) dafrigginstud: Basically
(7:33:02 PM) dafrigginstud: You can do whatever you want with your site
(7:33:57 PM) dafrigginstud: All we require is that you use your program as you said, possibly the Sc league login and such
(7:34:12 PM) dafrigginstud: but we will disallow a page for memberlist and clan news
(7:34:12 PM) FF4Cecil <AUTO-REPLY> : I'm not here right now
(7:34:25 PM) dafrigginstud: That will be covered by us in Yuffie's site

Initial confrontation by Yuffie 1/25/2008

Second confrontation by Yuffie 1/27/2008

AIM Conversations with Butz and Yuffie 2/1/2008

(11:15:56 AM) dafrigginstud: Hey, what's the status in your head?
(11:16:20 AM) FF4Cecil: What?
(11:16:26 AM) dafrigginstud: Sorry about being harsh before
(11:16:28 AM) dafrigginstud: But that's how it has to be
(11:16:52 AM) FF4Cecil: I disagree. It doesn't have to be that way.
(11:17:08 AM) dafrigginstud: Well this is how things work here
(11:17:18 AM) dafrigginstud: It's something you're going to have to accept
(11:17:50 AM) FF4Cecil: You want me to accept disrespect for no reason?
(11:18:04 AM) dafrigginstud: How have I disrespected you?
(11:18:20 AM) FF4Cecil: I've been banned from the channel for no reason.
(11:18:24 AM) dafrigginstud: She also said she was joking, lighten up?...take a joke?...
(11:18:40 AM) dafrigginstud: If I took a fit everytime I was fucking insulted
(11:18:44 AM) FF4Cecil: If someone says something, and then waits 40 seconds before they say "jk", it doesn't seem like a joke at all.
(11:18:47 AM) dafrigginstud: A LOT of people wouldn't be here
(11:19:01 AM) dafrigginstud: Uh
(11:19:03 AM) dafrigginstud: I talked to her
(11:19:03 AM) FF4Cecil: I didn't take a fit. I was banned.
(11:19:05 AM) dafrigginstud: She meant it as a joke
(11:19:10 AM) dafrigginstud: So get over it
(11:19:16 AM) FF4Cecil: I didn't ban anybody, I WAS the one banned.
(11:19:17 AM) dafrigginstud: She was doing other things
(11:19:33 AM) dafrigginstud: Yes
(11:19:46 AM) dafrigginstud: Cause you couldn't take a god damn joke and it really dug under her skin
(11:19:52 AM) dafrigginstud: Cause you're like a god damn robot
(11:20:03 AM) dafrigginstud: It was only temporary
(11:20:03 AM) FF4Cecil: I'm sure most people would disagree with that.
(11:20:21 AM) dafrigginstud: Well I think that way
(11:20:25 AM) dafrigginstud: And I would make the case
(11:20:30 AM) dafrigginstud: A case much stronger than yours
(11:20:51 AM) dafrigginstud: It's not because you might add a "lol" here and there that you're not a robot

Some messages that were sent to me while I was not there:

(11:45:52 AM) yuffear: Cecil
(11:46:07 AM) yuffear: I hope you can take the time to try to figure things out.
(11:46:15 AM) yuffear: Because I don't wanna fight anymore.
(11:46:56 AM) yuffear: I'm not going to plea for your reasoning
(11:47:05 AM) yuffear: Either you try to fix things with me or your gone for good.
(11:47:14 AM) yuffear: Cause this will not continue in my channel
(11:47:19 AM) yuffear: So.. its your choice.
(11:53:56 AM) yuffear: Do you have that original convo with cecil I had?
(11:54:40 AM) yuffear: I mean
(11:54:40 AM) yuffear: Yourself
(11:54:54 AM) yuffear: Because I don't think I waited 40 seconds to say jk
(11:55:00 AM) yuffear: It was really ment as a joke to break the ie
(11:55:02 AM) yuffear: ice*
(11:55:17 AM) yuffear: I didn't mean to offend you, I joke around and stuff trying to be freindly
(12:53:00 PM) yuffear: Cecil
(12:53:10 PM) yuffear: Did you get all those messages I sent you earlier?
(1:04:50 PM) yuffear: Alright fuck this.
(1:05:13 PM) yuffear: Cecil your done due to your unwillingness to talk and resolve differences
(1:05:54 PM) yuffear: This isn't some type of factory, you've got to take care of each other and be willing to fix differences when problems arrive

Third confrontation by Yuffie 2/1/2008

Final conversation with Yuffie and Butz 2/2/2008

(10:31:32 PM) FFCGolbez entered the room.
(10:31:32 PM) FF4Cecil entered the room.
(10:31:57 PM) yuffear entered the room.
(10:32:01 PM) FFCGolbez: yo
(10:32:05 PM) FFCGolbez: Work your shit out.
(10:32:10 PM) FFCGolbez: Cecil,Yuffie is cool man.
(10:32:18 PM) FFCGolbez: Understanding.
(10:32:24 PM) FFCGolbez: Here's your chance.
(10:32:32 PM) FF4Cecil: Alright, thanks Dan.
(10:32:48 PM) FF4Cecil: Hi Yuffie.
(10:33:08 PM) yuffear: .. Hi
(10:33:10 PM) FFCGolbez: Listen, that shit that happened between you and Yuffie
(10:33:16 PM) FFCGolbez: and the way I reacted to it
(10:33:24 PM) FFCGolbez: I should've went to her first.
(10:33:33 PM) FFCGolbez: I know you rock man
(10:33:40 PM) FFCGolbez: but she's c-oleader too
(10:33:48 PM) FFCGolbez: co-leader*
(10:33:59 PM) FFCGolbez: you two need to work out your tension
(10:34:04 PM) FF4Cecil: Well, I feel I've done nothing wrong to be treated the way she is treating me.
(10:34:11 PM) yuffear: Hmph
(10:34:14 PM) FFCGolbez: well,you have man
(10:34:15 PM) yuffear: Thats where your completely wrong
(10:34:22 PM) FFCGolbez: listen
(10:34:29 PM) yuffear: You've ignored me on multiple occasions, and disrupted the entire being of the clan!
(10:34:30 PM) FFCGolbez: I know you worked hard on your avatars
(10:34:39 PM) FFCGolbez: but unless asked,dont make em.
(10:34:45 PM) FFCGolbez: yeah,you did ignore here
(10:34:48 PM) FFCGolbez: her*
(10:34:57 PM) yuffear: Disrespectful
(10:35:03 PM) FFCGolbez: she tried hard to work shit out,which I didn't know
(10:35:04 PM) yuffear: I don't care how long of a week you've had
(10:35:06 PM) FF4Cecil: Why can't I make avatars?
(10:35:08 PM) FFCGolbez: and I wish I knew
(10:35:13 PM) FFCGolbez: I can,Cecil
(10:35:16 PM) yuffear: Because Cecil
(10:35:17 PM) FFCGolbez: Have you're on topic.
(10:35:20 PM) FFCGolbez: I'll pin it
(10:35:26 PM) yuffear: Did you realize who was making Avatars before you?
(10:35:27 PM) FFCGolbez: "Cecil's Avatars"
(10:35:50 PM) FFCGolbez: If someone asks you, you can make it
(10:35:55 PM) FF4Cecil: Well, most people in the clan didn't really have their own avatars, so I took it upon myself to make one for everyone.
(10:35:58 PM) FFCGolbez: Yuffie's made some wickekd ass avatars
(10:36:08 PM) FFCGolbez: I still use her latest one of Golbez as MSN Display Pic
(10:36:21 PM) FFCGolbez: it's cool Cecil
(10:36:24 PM) FFCGolbez: That you do that
(10:36:30 PM) FFCGolbez: without thinking or asking
(10:36:37 PM) FFCGolbez: but the thing is
(10:36:52 PM) FFCGolbez: people here,we do shit for the clan, because we want to
(10:37:03 PM) FFCGolbez: I don't have to make comics, or recruit, or do anything
(10:37:08 PM) FFCGolbez: We do shit ebcause we want to
(10:37:13 PM) FFCGolbez: not because we are of that rank
(10:37:25 PM) FFCGolbez: If you want a good rank man
(10:37:31 PM) FFCGolbez: you have to realize that
(10:37:34 PM) FF4Cecil: I never did anything for rank man.
(10:37:37 PM) FFCGolbez: IU mean that sunday, I was confused
(10:37:42 PM) FFCGolbez: by so many members
(10:37:52 PM) FFCGolbez: I know,Cecil
(10:38:01 PM) FFCGolbez: People really appreciate your work
(10:38:12 PM) FFCGolbez: You do a great job brother
(10:38:32 PM) FFCGolbez: but just try to chill out
(10:38:47 PM) FF4Cecil: But I am chilled out?
(10:38:50 PM) yuffear: No your not
(10:38:55 PM) FF4Cecil: I never blow up on any body.
(10:38:55 PM) yuffear: Your talking to every member
(10:39:02 PM) yuffear: And spreading shit around
(10:39:08 PM) yuffear: What the hell do you hope to accomplish?
(10:39:10 PM) FFCGolbez: You and Yuffie need to work out your tension
(10:39:17 PM) yuffear: Ok
(10:39:19 PM) FF4Cecil: I'm talking to my friends, about how I've been treated unfairly.
(10:39:24 PM) yuffear: Just let me talk for a minute.
(10:39:27 PM) yuffear: Cecil
(10:39:27 PM) FF4Cecil: I never broke any rules in the clan.
(10:39:40 PM) FFCGolbez: I know, Cecil.
(10:39:43 PM) FF4Cecil: But you treat me like I've broken every rule...
(10:39:53 PM) yuffear: Stop acting like you've been beaten
(10:39:57 PM) yuffear: Your such a wuss
(10:40:00 PM) yuffear: Seriously
(10:40:02 PM) yuffear: What is this crap?
(10:40:04 PM) FFCGolbez: But we've been around for a LONG time. And Yuffie has been a co-leader the whole time,and made all the right decisions.
(10:40:10 PM) yuffear: Why are you acted like you've done nothing wrong?
(10:40:14 PM) FF4Cecil: Can you be respectful Yuffie?
(10:40:19 PM) yuffear: Yeah I can be
(10:40:23 PM) yuffear: Not towards idiots
(10:40:23 PM) FF4Cecil: I really don't appreciate the name calling.
(10:40:26 PM) yuffear: Fuck you
(10:40:30 PM) yuffear: I'll name call all I want
(10:40:41 PM) yuffear: Don't tell me what to do
(10:40:52 PM) yuffear: Anyway
(10:40:58 PM) yuffear: You completely interrupted me
(10:41:01 PM) yuffear: I wasn't finished talking
(10:41:11 PM) FFCGolbez: I finally understand. The people of FFC are here for a common purpose. Fun, Gaming, Unity. Some people ( mainly some wc3 people ) are ignorant to that, so we ban.
(10:41:38 PM) FFCGolbez: Cecil man
(10:41:41 PM) yuffear: Golb
(10:41:41 PM) FFCGolbez: just chill
(10:41:46 PM) yuffear: Hold on a sec
(10:41:52 PM) yuffear: I gotta talk
(10:41:59 PM) FFCGolbez: I know
(10:42:04 PM) FF4Cecil: I am chill. I'm not calling anyone names here.
(10:42:10 PM) yuffear: Stfu
(10:42:13 PM) yuffear: Kid
(10:42:24 PM) yuffear: Stop acting like your so richious
(10:42:35 PM) FFCGolbez: Dude just listen to what she has to say and think about it. Yuffie is a very smart girl.
(10:42:43 PM) yuffear: richeous*
(10:42:47 PM) yuffear: Anyway
(10:43:06 PM) yuffear: You didn't say a god damn thing to me
(10:43:12 PM) yuffear: Instead you hid behind your wall
(10:43:18 PM) yuffear: And talked shit about me to all your friends
(10:43:31 PM) yuffear: Then you waited for golb to come on
(10:43:36 PM) yuffear: And then you pissed him off
(10:43:44 PM) yuffear: And you failed to mention that I was trying to fix things the whole time
(10:43:50 PM) yuffear: Which could of avoided all of the riot
(10:43:57 PM) yuffear: You started a big thing man, its not cool at all
(10:44:12 PM) yuffear: You disrespected me more then any member in this clan
(10:44:18 PM) yuffear: And you say you've done nothing wrong
(10:44:22 PM) yuffear: You broke the most important rule
(10:44:27 PM) yuffear: Sure I swear and shit
(10:44:29 PM) yuffear: Who the fuck cares
(10:44:32 PM) yuffear: I've earned the right to
(10:44:35 PM) yuffear: After all my hard ass work
(10:44:48 PM) yuffear: I respected you by trying to fix things
(10:44:57 PM) yuffear: And you didn't do shit back for me
(10:45:05 PM) yuffear: And just like today
(10:45:07 PM) yuffear: You ignored me
(10:45:14 PM) yuffear: And then when I ban you
(10:45:17 PM) yuffear: THATS When you can talk to me
(10:45:20 PM) FFCGolbez: he's reading, no worries.
(10:45:49 PM) yuffear: So yeah.
(10:46:03 PM) yuffear: FFC Avatars = Official = Me = Not you
(10:46:13 PM) yuffear: And the reason why I'm pissed about that
(10:46:17 PM) yuffear: Is because in many occasions
(10:46:23 PM) yuffear: You made avatars after I made them for people
(10:46:25 PM) yuffear: So its a slap in my face
(10:46:28 PM) yuffear: For the work I've done
(10:46:33 PM) yuffear: So I returned the favor.
(10:46:39 PM) yuffear: And outdid your ass
(10:46:54 PM) yuffear: Alright, I'm done.
(10:48:24 PM) FF4Cecil: May I speak now?
(10:48:37 PM) yuffear: I said I was done
(10:48:37 PM) FFCGolbez: Ya
(10:49:43 PM) FF4Cecil: I was gone most of the day when you were trying to talk me from the first time you banned me. When I did see the messages, I thought it was best not to talk to you because it would probably have made things worse for me.
(10:50:03 PM) yuffear: Thats no excuse
(10:50:04 PM) FF4Cecil: I feel everytime I try to talk to you, you don't listen to me, or you get extremely offended.
(10:50:12 PM) yuffear: Cecil
(10:50:18 PM) yuffear: If I'm offering to fix things
(10:50:21 PM) yuffear: Why the hell would you refuse it?
(10:50:23 PM) FFCGolbez: eh,when it comes to being bannedmyou should always talk to that person.
(10:50:23 PM) yuffear: And ignore me
(10:50:31 PM) FFCGolbez: We had aloooong talk between leaders.
(10:50:38 PM) FFCGolbez: Things will always be discussed now.
(10:50:45 PM) FFCGolbez: between member and leader,leader and leader
(10:51:30 PM) FF4Cecil: Every time I've approached you, I've been kind. I don't understand why you don't show me the same respect when you would like to speak with me.
(10:51:39 PM) yuffear: I've always shown you respect
(10:51:48 PM) yuffear: In fact I was giving you a badge the time you first disrespected me
(10:51:59 PM) yuffear: After that, I've shown you no respect because of the way you treated me
(10:52:08 PM) yuffear: Here cecil is a loyalty badge! Thanks for the awesome site!
(10:52:15 PM) yuffear: "why does it matter if your not gunna use it?"
(10:52:22 PM) yuffear: What the fuck is up your ass?
(10:52:31 PM) yuffear: Who told you that you couldn't use it?
(10:52:32 PM) yuffear: No one
(10:52:43 PM) yuffear: In fact after that I told you we wanted to use it just not for news
(10:52:51 PM) yuffear: And you wanted a "private" conversation with all the leaders
(10:52:55 PM) yuffear: as if my word wasn't enough
(10:53:01 PM) yuffear: Even though I already had it with frank
(10:53:08 PM) yuffear: which frank didn't even wanna use it in the first place
(10:53:10 PM) yuffear: But I said
(10:53:16 PM) yuffear: No Cecil did a lot of work, lets use it
(10:53:21 PM) yuffear: But I regret that
(10:53:24 PM) yuffear: I used to respect you
(10:53:29 PM) yuffear: Until you showed me a lot of bullshit
(10:53:35 PM) yuffear: your stubborn personality
(10:54:01 PM) FF4Cecil: Can I speak again? I wasn't really done earlier...
(10:54:10 PM) yuffear: I can talk whenver I want
(10:54:19 PM) yuffear: Your the one whose supposed to apologize.
(10:54:27 PM) yuffear: It doesn't really seem clear in your statements
(10:54:31 PM) yuffear: Concidering your only talking about yourself
(10:55:51 PM) yuffear: Regardless
(10:55:55 PM) yuffear: I'll let you finish your statements
(10:56:00 PM) yuffear: I'm just going to respond
(10:56:03 PM) yuffear: So talk
(10:56:08 PM) yuffear: Respond to what I just said
(10:56:13 PM) yuffear: About that day
(10:57:30 PM) FFCGolbez: right. it's between yo uand Yuffie. I won't be here
(10:57:32 PM) FFCGolbez left the room.
(10:57:33 PM) FF4Cecil: Well, I was being presented a badge that I did not truly deserve. I thought it was best to not accept it. I never made the website for rank, or badges.
(10:58:06 PM) yuffear: Hmm
(10:58:14 PM) yuffear: You say this, but why didn't you say that at the time
(10:58:14 PM) yuffear: ?
(10:58:20 PM) yuffear: Your story keeps changing
(10:58:22 PM) yuffear: Its hard to believe you
(10:58:31 PM) FF4Cecil: Well, you blew up on me.
(10:58:38 PM) yuffear: No I didn't
(10:58:41 PM) yuffear: Not at first
(10:58:49 PM) yuffear: It was after talking about it for a long time with you
(10:59:01 PM) yuffear: After I had presented you with something
(10:59:56 PM) yuffear: Your supposed to accept it, and if you were so nice to give us a website and that you didn't want anything from it (The badge didn't just represent that) but you didn't state it at the time
(11:01:18 PM) yuffear: ?
(11:01:25 PM) FF4Cecil: You know, I prepared a whole presentation of how the website would function, but I was never given the opportunity to present it among the leaders of the clan together to clear up any confusion or misconceptions about it.
(11:01:37 PM) yuffear: No one had any misconceptions
(11:01:42 PM) yuffear: We wanted to use
(11:01:43 PM) yuffear: the newspaper
(11:01:45 PM) yuffear: for news
(11:01:54 PM) yuffear: And we waned to use yours for sc league and stats
(11:01:57 PM) yuffear: I told you this
(11:02:05 PM) yuffear: And it doesn't need to be further dicussed
(11:02:12 PM) yuffear: This is what I'm talking about
(11:02:33 PM) yuffear: Your not supposed to argue with me about it
(11:02:55 PM) yuffear: You never had intentions to make it a full fledged site in the beginning
(11:03:35 PM) Unable to send message: The message is too large.
(11:03:40 PM) Unable to send message: The message is too large.
(11:03:47 PM) FF4Cecil: I don't have the resources to make an SC League for the clan, I made this clear to Butz a long time ago. Instead, I proposed a different system that rewards members with experience points
(11:03:53 PM) FF4Cecil: and character levels automatically. When I told Dan about it, he loved the idea. He based his Red Wings' experience point system off of
(11:04:00 PM) yuffear: Whatever
(11:04:02 PM) yuffear: Thats fine
(11:04:15 PM) FF4Cecil: When I started making this website, there was no Newspaper.
(11:04:23 PM) yuffear: Well
(11:04:25 PM) yuffear: Guess what
(11:04:33 PM) yuffear: Thats too bad
(11:04:39 PM) yuffear: Whatever I do
(11:04:48 PM) yuffear: Is above anything else, because I'm a co-leader
(11:05:04 PM) yuffear: your supposed to respect what I do, and what I say
(11:05:10 PM) yuffear: I'm not saying anything harsh to you
(11:05:15 PM) yuffear: We just didn't want official news
(11:05:19 PM) FF4Cecil: You're right. But nevertheless, I was upset that all the time I had spent working on it was really in vain.
(11:05:20 PM) yuffear: Its that simple
(11:05:28 PM) yuffear: Yeah
(11:05:38 PM) yuffear: You really fucked it up now cause we're not gunna use it at all
(11:05:59 PM) yuffear: We don't trust you anymore Cecil.
(11:06:04 PM) yuffear: With anything
(11:06:08 PM) yuffear: We demoted you as well
(11:06:18 PM) yuffear: That is, if you can somehow manage to pass my judgement
(11:06:33 PM) FF4Cecil: Well, you are setting me up for failure.
(11:06:40 PM) yuffear: I think I know what'd you would have to do, but I doubt someone of your character is going to do something about it.
(11:06:44 PM) yuffear: Nope
(11:06:46 PM) yuffear: We all spoke
(11:06:48 PM) yuffear: And agreed
(11:06:49 PM) yuffear: No website
(11:06:52 PM) yuffear: No avatars
(11:06:56 PM) yuffear: Demotion
(11:07:04 PM) yuffear: Cause you almost caused a split in the clan
(11:07:11 PM) yuffear: Thats serious shit
(11:07:21 PM) FF4Cecil: I don't really care at all about the demotion.
(11:07:38 PM) yuffear: Ok
(11:07:40 PM) yuffear: whatever
(11:07:42 PM) FF4Cecil: It was never my intention nor my idea to cause the clan to split.
(11:07:46 PM) yuffear: Well
(11:07:51 PM) yuffear: You almost did it
(11:08:01 PM) yuffear: What makes you think its okay just because you didn't mean to? You still did it
(11:08:08 PM) yuffear: You talked shit to many people
(11:08:09 PM) yuffear: About me
(11:08:15 PM) yuffear: And then you pissed golb off
(11:08:18 PM) yuffear: While the entire time
(11:08:20 PM) yuffear: You were ignoring me
(11:08:48 PM) yuffear: So
(11:08:55 PM) yuffear: That attitude will not be accepted
(11:09:20 PM) yuffear: You don't ever decide to ignore someone, especially if they are trying to make peace
(11:09:25 PM) yuffear: Who the hell do you think you are?
(11:09:28 PM) yuffear: This is my place Cecil
(11:09:40 PM) yuffear: How dare you disrespect me like that?
(11:09:41 PM) yuffear: If I'm on good terms
(11:09:43 PM) yuffear: Its bullshit
(11:10:49 PM) FF4Cecil: I really don't appreciate your condescending attitude towards me. Everything I've done was for the clan, not for my personal gain.
(11:11:00 PM) yuffear: Hey guess what Cecil
(11:11:03 PM) yuffear: We're not talking about you right now
(11:11:05 PM) yuffear: we're talking about me
(11:11:08 PM) yuffear: And what you did
(11:11:11 PM) yuffear: Why don't you respond to it
(11:11:14 PM) yuffear: Don't bring up yourself
(11:11:15 PM) yuffear: Seriously
(11:11:21 PM) FF4Cecil: I made avatars for everyone, I didn't single any one out. I never asked anybody to use the avatars I made, and I never forced them to either.
(11:11:29 PM) FF4Cecil: I even made you one.
(11:11:29 PM) yuffear: Yeah but guess what
(11:11:33 PM) yuffear: Yeah
(11:11:35 PM) yuffear: I don't care
(11:11:45 PM) yuffear: If I made avatars for people
(11:11:49 PM) yuffear: And you just decide to come along
(11:11:58 PM) yuffear: And make ones so people use yours and not mine
(11:12:02 PM) yuffear: It makes my work useless
(11:12:08 PM) yuffear: So I returned the favour
(11:12:29 PM) FF4Cecil: Why didn't you talk to me about it if that bothered you? I didn't know it bothered you.
(11:12:47 PM) yuffear: It bothered me on that account
(11:12:54 PM) yuffear: And that you just decided to make it "FFC Official"
(11:13:09 PM) yuffear: Regardless
(11:13:26 PM) yuffear: I haven't treated you like shit until you've had your stubburn moment with the badge and the website
(11:13:43 PM) yuffear: So there is some things your going to have to agree upon if you wanna come back
(11:14:05 PM) yuffear: 1. Don't make avatars unless people ask you, Cause I'm going to be making all of them
(11:14:17 PM) yuffear: 2. We're not going to use your website, because we don't trust you with such a responsibility
(11:14:42 PM) yuffear: 3. You've got to show respect to me on all levels, any violation will result in a exilation
(11:15:20 PM) yuffear: 4. You've got to apologize to everyone, and me for causing drama and bullshit and almost fucking the clan up for good.
(11:16:57 PM) FF4Cecil: Well, can I ask for your personal opinion?
(11:17:04 PM) yuffear: No
(11:17:10 PM) yuffear: You respond to what I just said
(11:17:21 PM) yuffear: You got my opinion, I'm not asking any questions about yourself
(11:17:26 PM) FF4Cecil: Well, if you answered this, it would really help me make my decision.
(11:17:33 PM) yuffear: What
(11:18:00 PM) FF4Cecil: Do you want me to be in your clan again?
(11:18:13 PM) yuffear: Not until you agree on all of those things and do what is required
(11:18:22 PM) yuffear: So right now, I could say a big fat NO
(11:18:28 PM) yuffear: Because your a asshole in my mind
(11:18:40 PM) yuffear: Because you have yet to do anything
(11:18:49 PM) yuffear: To compensate for what you did
(11:20:49 PM) FF4Cecil: Well, if I agreed to those terms, would you treat me with respect and have respectable conversations with me?
(11:23:37 PM) yuffear: Well
(11:23:54 PM) yuffear: You've done this all wrong
(11:24:01 PM) yuffear: I feel like the one who has to come to terms
(11:24:06 PM) yuffear: Thats not the case here
(11:24:08 PM) yuffear: Besides
(11:24:12 PM) yuffear: Butz viewed the log
(11:24:20 PM) yuffear: I don't even have a choice now
(11:24:28 PM) yuffear: His word is a final goodbye
(11:24:53 PM) yuffear left the room.

Final conversation with Butz, leading to the creation of IA 2/2/2008

(8:19:52 PM) dafrigginstud: I want you to accept that you're ignorance, and go about resolving that issue, but more importantly, for you to want to help yourself with it..
(8:19:56 PM) dafrigginstud: .*
(8:21:18 PM) FF4Cecil: Is that it?
(8:21:30 PM) dafrigginstud: Mostly
(8:21:41 PM) dafrigginstud: Do you actually care?
(8:22:15 PM) FF4Cecil: I am not going to be a given a second chance, right?
(8:22:25 PM) dafrigginstud: Answer the question first.
(8:23:02 PM) FF4Cecil: Yes I care.
(8:24:00 PM) dafrigginstud: Do you care enough to accept it as a fact or will you simply go with your life without reflecting?
(8:24:12 PM) dafrigginstud: go on*
(8:26:12 PM) FF4Cecil: I don't agree with your opinion of me. There isn't a fact, there is an opinion here.
(8:27:00 PM) dafrigginstud: Then you have cemented your fate. You cannot join the clan anew.
(8:30:14 PM) FF4Cecil: I assure you my website and character system will still see the light of day. I also assure you that I will give you a run for your money as being the dominant Final Fantasy Clan.
(8:30:40 PM) dafrigginstud: You're creating a new clan, huh.
(8:30:52 PM) dafrigginstud: Laughable.
(8:30:54 PM) dafrigginstud: Lamentable
(8:30:56 PM) dafrigginstud: Pitiful.
(8:31:12 PM) dafrigginstud: You will be a complete failure.
(8:31:42 PM) dafrigginstud: You think you're even close to rivaling our trio because you have a stupid site?
(8:32:42 PM) FF4Cecil: It's more than just the site I have.
(8:32:48 PM) dafrigginstud: Oh, really.
(8:32:55 PM) dafrigginstud: Look here, son.
(8:33:03 PM) dafrigginstud: You don't have the activity it takes to run a clan.
(8:33:10 PM) dafrigginstud: You don't have the open mind to run a clan.
(8:33:20 PM) dafrigginstud: You don't have the right values to run a clan.
(8:33:30 PM) dafrigginstud: You're not likable.
(8:33:38 PM) dafrigginstud: Exactly because everything has to be your way.
(8:33:48 PM) dafrigginstud: And if it's not, you start fucking crying about it.
(8:33:57 PM) dafrigginstud: You have no respect for hierarchy.
(8:34:15 PM) dafrigginstud: It's all about you thinking you're always in the right
(8:34:23 PM) FF4Cecil: My clan will not be run by fear, and people will not be treated with disrespect for no good reason.
(8:34:36 PM) dafrigginstud: This clan is not run by fear.
(8:34:51 PM) dafrigginstud: And I have good reason to disrespect you.
(8:35:01 PM) dafrigginstud: The entire clan now is against you and agrees with us.
(8:35:15 PM) dafrigginstud: Who do you think you are?
(8:35:19 PM) dafrigginstud: The master planner?

FFC demanding an "apology" from IA 4/7/2008

[1:04:47 AM] <From FFC-Bahamut@USEast> she says you can cmoe now, but watch your tounges and swallow your priede
[1:04:47 AM] <IA-Laguna@USEast> rikku
[1:04:47 AM] <IA-Reno@USEast> rikku
[1:04:49 AM] -- Joined channel: Op FFC-Rikku --
[1:04:52 AM] <FFC-Bahamut@USEast> well thnk you
[1:05:05 AM] <FFC-Bahamut@USEast> its nice to know that ffc has someone in upper leadership that knows something about something
[1:05:15 AM] <FFC-Bahamut@USEast> and that you actually will hear me out
[1:05:20 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> There's always a brain behind a tongue.
[1:05:38 AM] -- IA-Reno@USEast [47ms] has joined the channel using Starcraft Brood War (34 wins).
[1:05:52 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> So, then.
[1:05:54 AM] <FFC-Bahamut@USEast> agreed
[1:05:56 AM] -- IA-Laguna@USEast [32ms] has joined the channel using Starcraft Brood War (9 wins).
[1:05:58 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Just for clarification
[1:06:05 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Reno is Zanarkand, Sephiroth is Kadaj and Laguna is..?
[1:06:10 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> I was not aware Laguna would be joining at all, actually.
[1:06:12 AM] <IA-Reno@USEast> alexander
[1:06:14 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> Sephiroth is NOT Kadaj
[1:06:16 AM] <IA-Laguna@USEast> remember me? =P
[1:06:18 AM] <FFC-Bahamut@USEast> i wasnt either
[1:06:19 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> I do.
[1:06:23 AM] <IA-Laguna@USEast> ;)
[1:06:33 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Okay, then Sephiroth is not affiliated in FFC?
[1:06:38 AM] <FFC-Bahamut@USEast> no
[1:06:41 AM] <IA-Laguna@USEast> just me and reno
[1:06:41 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> do you mean me or FFC-Sephiroth
[1:06:45 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> You.
[1:06:49 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> In any case.
[1:06:51 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I have not been affiliated with FFC
[1:06:54 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I'm sorry :(
[1:06:55 AM] <IA-Reno@USEast> let him them talk alex
[1:07:01 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Alexander, it's good to see you again, though in unfortunate circumstances.
[1:07:13 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Sephiroth, your affiliation is not one that is required, nor missed. No offense.
[1:07:18 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I know
[1:07:19 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> now that was unexpected.. of her
[1:07:24 AM] <To your friends> no kidding
[1:07:40 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> So, why have you come to me tonight, or rather, this morning?
[1:07:59 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> Well, both you and I know that both our clans talk about each other
[1:08:18 AM] <From FFC-Bahamut@USEast> but we dont talk bad about them, thats what i told her, a nd its semi true
[1:08:24 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> Today IA-Squall without asking even joined your channel and reported some actions of your clan to us
[1:08:40 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> oh i see
[1:08:44 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I realised at that point that there is a great deal of anger between FFC and our clan
[1:09:12 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I wanted to communicate, and I have tried as well through our site today that we do not intend to do anything that causes problems for FFC
[1:09:49 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> lol ya.. he always was
[1:10:02 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> =O nice
[1:10:23 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> My turn?
[1:10:26 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> lol
[1:10:28 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> if you wish
[1:11:01 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> The topic of IA is one that comes across only when forced to. In most cases, we've more important topics and situations that come across.
[1:11:03 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> However.
[1:11:38 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> i do to so im there
[1:11:42 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> If there ever were a thorn to the side of a beast, it would be IA in that of our leadership. Whilst your knowledge in IA's birth and history should be one that is broad thanks to your coleadership
[1:11:56 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> I somehow doubt that even you two coleaders have full understanding as to what happened to have made IA such a large pest in our eyes in the first place.
[1:12:09 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I know that we do not
[1:12:23 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> hmm.....
[1:12:24 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> You speak of peaceful coexistence, yet as I learned from JJ, your leader, Balthier is out in vacation and I can not presume that he has given authority and approval of this action.
[1:13:02 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I understand that you cannot presume such, If you wish I can inform him of this conversation when he returns and have him contact you to confirm my actions
[1:13:07 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> In fact, I would suggest the first way to reprimand the harm your leader has made to us is in the way of a formal and public apology made to our two leaders, Yuffie and Kefka from him.
[1:13:27 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> Apology?
[1:13:39 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> FUCK THAT!!!!!!!!!!
[1:13:45 AM] <To your friends> what did we do?
[1:13:47 AM] <To your friends> :S
[1:13:55 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> APOLOGY MY ASS
[1:13:56 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Tell me
[1:13:59 AM] <From FFC-Bahamut@USEast> she said that Balthier insulted them
[1:14:07 AM] <From IA-Laguna@USEast> rofl me dunno man
[1:14:07 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> How does your clan handle disobedience to leadership from a lower ranked recruit?
[1:14:14 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> he did i was there when it happen
[1:14:23 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> This is where our clan gets... unique
[1:14:31 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Entertain me.
[1:14:33 AM] <From IA-Laguna@USEast> good word lol
[1:14:36 AM] <From IA-Laguna@USEast> gosu
[1:14:41 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> We almost have no distinguishment between leadership and the lower ranks
[1:14:58 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> We allow leaders to maintain the clan in terms of the site, adding members, etc
[1:15:15 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> but the leaders are not resembled as mighty icons of authority
[1:15:20 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> hld on zack
[1:15:32 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> more or less we would be considered powerful friends
[1:15:41 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> so, in answer to your question
[1:15:42 AM] <From IA-Laguna@USEast> yeah like Seph is like total newb at SC *cough*
[1:15:44 AM] <From IA-Laguna@USEast> j/k
[1:16:14 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> If someone were to disobey, they would have to go through a discussion with our leaders, and depending on the severity, they could be banned
[1:16:36 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> lol aled
[1:16:37 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> alex
[1:16:40 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> :P
[1:16:42 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> We actually have not had the need to do such a thing yet, due to the way that we generally try to recruit
[1:17:13 AM] <FFC-Bahamut@USEast> there is a lack of disobedience because
[1:17:18 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> There isn't much in our clan that a member could disobey though
[1:17:24 AM] <FFC-Bahamut@USEast> we do not do what we are told
[1:17:29 AM] <FFC-Bahamut@USEast> but we do what we are asked
[1:17:31 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Let's say, hypothetically, that a normal member, by which I mean non-leader, treats an actual leader-responsible member in disrespect by ignoring them, and then not responding to them when asked.
[1:18:05 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> Well, that I would consider being afk
[1:18:20 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Then you did not read correctly. I meant ignore. Not stop typing all out.
[1:18:24 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Acknowleding others, but not the leader.
[1:18:28 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> otherwise it may not be necessary to pursue the conversaition unless correctly justified
[1:18:35 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> ya really
[1:18:38 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I see...
[1:18:57 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> ya really tell me about it
[1:19:10 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> Unfortunately I do not know what I would do in that situation, in our clan we don't really have a situation demanding enough to do anything abou tit
[1:19:15 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> about it*
[1:19:27 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> lol alex
[1:19:29 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> xP
[1:19:48 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> As I said before, we do not ahve symbols of authority, therefore we are not regulated BY our authority
[1:20:01 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> if in your clan someone were to backtalk you, you would be forced to take action
[1:20:04 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> right?
[1:20:11 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> Possibly by banning or kicking
[1:20:34 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> If you wish to simplify the means, yes.
[1:20:36 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I can't see much of a situation where that would happen in ours because of our lesser power
[1:20:50 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Also, if you speak of passive leadership, then why even consider yourself a coleader? Why have an ops? Why have an ops channel at all?
[1:21:05 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Does it not seem quite odd that you would have that in supply?
[1:21:10 AM] <From IA-Laguna@USEast> who's gonna run the bitch?
[1:21:12 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> we have an ops channel so we can all hang out with each other
[1:21:31 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> You can do that virtually anywhere. And I mean anywhere.
[1:21:40 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> and we have bots to keep us informed, as well as to allow banning of members who come in or bots that join to spam
[1:21:59 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> if we can do it virtually anywhere, then IA is as good a place as any
[1:22:19 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> Balthier and myself decided on the name Ivalice Alliance back when we made the clan
[1:22:35 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> it was simply because it had ties to Final Fantasy, which is what we want the clan to be based around
[1:22:41 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> well dang im sorry that we dont run things like ....w/e
[1:22:58 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> dont know
[1:23:07 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> We did not create the clan with the intent to compete with FFC, it was intended to be the Alternative
[1:23:12 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> man balthier is missin out
[1:23:35 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> to give Final Fantasy members a second chance if they were banned from your clan, or if we recruited them from scratch
[1:23:35 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> ya
[1:24:04 AM] <To your friends> Reno are you wanting to add anything? if you want to I'll intro you
[1:24:22 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I assume you would like to reply at this point
[1:24:32 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> i really dont have anything to add... i do bu ti think i should keep it to myself
[1:24:46 AM] <To your friends> yea, keep it to urself then
[1:24:50 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> ya
[1:25:36 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> well when i can... i just want to say hey
[1:25:37 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> It is unfortunate that Balthier cannot be here to speak for himself, He made me the coleader because I could be here when he would not be available.
[1:26:01 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Well, I would request a conference with him whenever possible. Just so I can see what his agenda is.
[1:26:02 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I am sure you can understand considering FFC-Reno is in the military as well and is sometimes gone for days at a time as well
[1:26:25 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Reno is the same rank as I. I would not understand, in all honesty.
[1:26:25 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I will save this conversation and ask that he contact you when he's back. April 10th Reno?
[1:26:33 AM] <IA-Reno@USEast> oh yes
[1:26:40 AM] <IA-Reno@USEast> he is back April 10th
[1:27:32 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I understand that FFC-Reno is very dedicated in your clan, that actually was not what I was trying to explain. Just that the military duties caused him to not be available at this time
[1:27:43 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Now, I may be the wrong person to talk to at all here. While I have intimate knowledge of the clan's system and how it works, as well as detail in every leadership member, I do not speak for it.
[1:27:52 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Yes, I understand that much.
[1:28:00 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I understand that too
[1:28:15 AM] <From IA-Laguna@USEast> omg 10 pages of that shit
[1:28:18 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> Anyways, I feel I am wasting your time, do you want me to leave?
[1:29:15 AM] <To IA-Laguna@USEast> are you afk laguna?
[1:29:21 AM] <From IA-Laguna@USEast> took screens
[1:29:24 AM] <From IA-Laguna@USEast> lol
[1:29:34 AM] <To IA-Laguna@USEast> no need, i've got my bot running
[1:29:44 AM] <From IA-Laguna@USEast> oh fuck you lol
[1:29:49 AM] <To IA-Laguna@USEast> logging the conversations, srry
[1:29:49 AM] <From IA-Laguna@USEast> <3
[1:30:00 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> No, I've not much else on at the moment.
[1:30:03 AM] <To your friends> ready to leave?
[1:30:12 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> If you have other business to attend to, you can leave.
[1:30:16 AM] <IA-Laguna@USEast> oh Rikku... you Z is still not better than mine =P
[1:30:16 AM] <From IA-Reno@USEast> thats fine
[1:30:17 AM] <IA-Laguna@USEast> hhaha
[1:30:20 AM] <IA-Laguna@USEast> ;)
[1:30:22 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> Lies and heresy!
[1:30:24 AM] <IA-Laguna@USEast> =P
[1:30:26 AM] <IA-Reno@USEast> alex....
[1:30:38 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> Ok, well, enjoy your morning, and we won't impersonate FFC members again under IA's knowledge
[1:30:40 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> I am The Zerg, if you've so quickly forgotten.
[1:30:44 AM] <IA-Laguna@USEast> oh ok
[1:30:59 AM] <IA-Laguna@USEast> I think someone on west took "TheZerg" as his name
[1:31:07 AM] <FFC-Rikku@USEast> So long you uphold that word, Sephiroth, you can expect the same from FFC.
[1:31:20 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> Understood
[1:31:24 AM] <IA-Reno@USEast> We, thank you on that rikku
[1:31:29 AM] <IA-Sephiroth> I'm going back to channel Reno
[1:31:33 AM] -- Joined channel: Clan IAX --

Yuffie's response to Golbez leaving FFC the second time to join and stay with IA 10/27/2009


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